Ye Xinyan was also feeling desperate. "Duke An, old master, are you trying to ruin your granddaughter's reputation? If she really leaves now and lets Han Yanhui and other old pedants discuss how to protect the interests of the craftsmen of low status, isn't that absurd?"
"Your Majesty, it's like this, the humble woman believes that letting scholars decide whether to protect craftsmen is rather unreliable. Those who manage the affairs of the world are scholars, but it is projects like the Dujiangyan and Zhengguo Canal, and improvements in pottery, weaving, and plowing that benefit the people. The humble woman has been destitute before and has heard a saying, which goes 'empty talk leads a country astray,' ahem, and that's actually referring to scholars."
