"I have eight former oligarchs," Joe told me an hour later. "Of them, five are willing to testify, the others have families still in Russia and are afraid for their safety."
"So, bring the families here, too," I told him.
"Of course, I suggested that, but they feared even that would put them at risk. Volkov's reach is pretty long."
"But five will testify?"
"Yes, they will testify to racketeering, diversion of public funds, conspiracy to commit murder, all crimes within Russia, nothing related to Ukraine. They simply weren't involved and didn't have firsthand knowledge of specific war crimes. Two of them were willing to make things up or say whatever we wanted them to say. I didn't think you'd consider that."
"No, of course not. What about the three who won't talk? Do they have firsthand knowledge of war crimes?"
